The way the program works means the list of boards is initially populated by just one; the starting board. This is one of the easiest things to check, in fact; just see what moves can be made from the initial layout, and these will be the first set of moves in the results. You can do the same check at any point, but bear in mind some possible moves may have resulted in a duplicate layout of an earlier one and so be shown earlier, with a different parent.
Is that correct? I know later version of MS Freecell had higher numbers of puzzles with more unsolvable ones. My email address is right there in the source. Do you want a running tally of how often cards are moved from each area, to eliminate the possibility something is being missed? Or maybe you just want full test boards, to prove that it can move every card, and is checking everywhere? Whatever it is, and this is an open invitation, my email is right there. Tell me what proof you need.
But even if we had a billion other solvers all declaring the game impossible, a valid solution would prove them all wrong. However, with that being said, I concede FreeCell falls within the bounds of an NP-Complete problem and can therefore be computationally solved with brute force analysis as you have done.
Will look for it from now on. I have wins and 0 losses. Now I realize probably impossible. I discovered this forum and it confirmed my belief. My little game is to not use a free cell to win a game. Of my wins I was able to win 62 games Being a baseball fan, I call them perfect games that way.
And yes, I do have a girlfriend,, play a shitload of golf and have a decent tan. Thanks to Dan, and to Adrian for his computer-generated proof of the insolvability of using the method of exhaustion. Freecell is much simpler than chess, which is not solvable in such a way or any way, for that matter. For me, had been the most recalcitrant. However, after about 50 tries at , I consulted the Internet.
Thank goodness! One shorthand of the play of the game would be to give the origin and destination of each card. So moving a card from col 1 to the holding zone might be written 10, or moving a card from col 7 to its appropriate suit So a game might begin 59 18 82 and so on. This is clearly a unique and complete way of writing the game. Incomplete but suggestive would be simply to use the column of origin: the same game would start in this notation.
Might use 0 for promoting from the holding zone. This latter method would be more in the nature of a hint than of a replay. A unique notation would differentiate the four places in the holding area, say as a, b, c, d.
Sorry for the slip. I thought I could beat them all. Not this one. Usually, if it takes more than 30 minutes like one in a thousand games , I look up a solution online. Your posts here have been very helpful in convincing me to go ahead and ruin my game winning streak. I hope I remember to skip over next time.
I will stop playing for a few days in case a work around gets suggested here. That should only take a few months or so. And the steps to beat it. Have been playing for years but just now finding this site. Enjoyed reading all the comments esp regarding the elusive I mean the impossible Can anyone give me a heads up on how to do it?
Many thanks! As both of those deals are as probable as as other single random deal of the 52 cards, then that is proof positive that there are AT LEAST TWO hands which simply can not be played to winning. Perhaps there might be thousands of un-winnable hands?
I wanted to know how many ways it is possible to deal the 52 cards into a Freecell layout. Wikipedia says: There are 52! However, some games are effectively identical to others because suits assigned to cards are arbitrary or columns can be swapped. After taking these factors into account, there are approximately 1.
As like others, i too have solved all up to 11, before been stuck for 2 weeks on the infamous 11, before going to the net to find out it is unsolveable. It would take billions of billions of billions of years, probably longer than the universe will last. I have other things to do — like wash the car? Hmmmm … maybe not today — I need time for another few Freecells! I got stuck on five days ago, after solving random games in a row.
Finally googled this morning and got my suspicions confirmed. Welcome to the club I guess. Has anyone considered creating other unbeatable free cell games by starting with the layout for and then switching any 2 random cards before starting the game? No one seems to have discussed this possibility.
Hard to believe that all such switches of just 2 cards would all result in solveable games. Sure there is! Write it somewhere else, then paste it in. You can add as much content as you want. Or, email me your solution to me by changing the first dot in the domain to an.
But plenty of people have said they solved it, but not a single one of them has ever had any proof. As the saying goes, talk is cheap. Another one that might be impossible to solve: For me the first unsolvable one after games.
Proving by brute force might be practically impossible — not enough time of living. An active Freecell forum in this day and age? Freecell has been a dead issue for a while. That sucks. I originally played FreeCell in Win 3. So, loving a challenge, I set out to try. And last year I achieved that. Get over it. I was originally bummed, however, when I upgraded to Win XP and found that the 33, layouts had become a million! So in , the achievable goal I had been working towards for 8 years became unattainable, but at least FreeCell was still FreeCell.
You could back up one move, and that was that. If you closed the game, you logged a loss. If you replayed the game, it was a loss, but you could replay until you won for only that one loss. Bottom line, stats, percentage of 1st time wins and win streaks were challenging.
It was the chess game of solitaire. You had to look seven and ten moves ahead to keep from losing a game. And I was disgusted. So what? Had todays version of FreeCell been the one I started playing in , I could have had 33, consecutive wins. Because or 33, means nothing on the current versions of the game. Microsoft has killed the challenge of FreeCell. I have been playing Free Cell No. I actually played and it shows 1 loss… but actually my computer shut down so that shows as a loss..
I just checked on the net to see if there was something special I could do. So I just happened to land on this site and low and behold it shows this game. I thought maybe I was losing great streak or losing my mind LOL. So I will keep reading on this site and see if there is something I can do. Does anyone have any great ideas or do I just let it go.
Another thing, being it is late at night, can I somehow save this game and close my laptop down for the night without losing the game. Or should I just give up and turn it off. Thank you,. I thought maybe I was just on a losing streak or losing my mind LOL. I just remembered how one could recall each play… If you win the game, you can write the plays down by doing it backwards.
Keep doing this and write down the play each time. After that write each play from the end to the beginning and that will give the correct plays to win the game. Game has been proven to be unbeatable, get over it! After wasting at least an hour on , my online search for a solution lead me here.
Thanks for letting me know is unsolvable. After bailing out of that game, I was dealt by my computer. This was a sweet follow up game, because I was able to play it down to two cards left; the King of Diamonds on top of the Queen of Diamonds. I always play one game before starting work, plus the odd ones through the day. Cannot find the Freecell game with option to select game in Win 8. Can the original freecell be downloaded from somewhere? Thanks for the XP FreeCell version. Any suggestions?
Thank you for your come backs. I think the installer disks store the files in CAB files, so you would have to find the CAB file, extract it and copy the files over. I feel bad for the guy who set out to re-play games to reset his stats. Freecell stats can be manipulated there to whatever ones wishes, including removing losses. If you are into cheating, that works.
I bet some of the solvers above did a re-start trick on old Windows as I saw a solution on YouTube where if the game was restarted followed by an Undo, the 8D moved over to column 8 and then the puzzle becomes solvable. My XP machine does that trick — restart , do an UNDO right away and the 8D moves to column 8 and the puzzle is solvable from there.
I had played 5, games over the years with no losses until yesterday; although I had not idea how to prove it, or even if such a proof is possible, I had suspected that the game is mathematically winnable. However, yesterday I came upon game ,,, which I have not yet been able to solve.
I have always used Macs, and it appears that the numbering of games is the same in Macs as in other platforms. Hi Chuck, thanks for the comment. Below you will find some simple rules that can help you to win FreeCell on more regular basis. Some FreeCell Solitaire deals are solvable very quickly, while others take more time to solve.
Replaying the same shuffles in a number of different ways will allow completing the most difficult ones. Try games -1 and According to Shazam's link, that only works in Windows I'm using Win98SE and just tried it Peter C. Feb 19, 40 0 0. Just finished !!!!! Most of the time, I had three cells occupied! Jul 20, 2, 0 0.
I finished in 15 minutes, on my first try. Very damn easy I was expecting a terrible game, but I finished without much sweat. I have a screenshot for those who want's proof, but won't post it right now. Moving on to Looks like Freecell wins again!
Who needs Q3A and UT? OK, then I'm a moron. I tried all day today off and on at work. I still can't do it. Maybe I should just stick to solitare. Man that pisses me off. You guys really got it that fast? Grrrrrrrrr BTW, you guys need to read the link that Shazam put up. Even a computer can't solve They've decided it's impossible. Well, try if you want I guess. If you beat it you'll be the first! I'm going to try it again with Peter's advise. Actually, I can uncover the third row.
I usually get stumped because I can't uncover any of the Jacks. If I get this I'll be the hero at work. No one can beat it there either. Here we go again Ben, don't use any of the freecells until you positively have to. Just keep sorting the cards that are exposed until you HAVE to move a card.
The link I posted also has a link to a solution for all the freecell games, except for Obvously, there is more than one solution. I start with moving both king and Queen to free cells. We are grateful. LeapFrog Epic Academy Edition. Wellness Air Water Exercise. The Store. For Professionals. Start End Start End. Home Disclaimer.
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